…so can someone explain to me how Hippolyta literally ordering Diana not to get training, THEN not to get involved with Man’s world and then telling her “they don’t deserve you” and that she is her ‘greatest sorrow’ for leaving when, after capitulating on the first one, she’s been training her for years, knowing she’s a goddess and that millions have already died and more could follow, having an army she could send with her and sending nothing, this is totally understandable… but Jon Kent telling his untrained ten year old alien refugee kid who they used to worry might not be able to survive the atmosphere… ‘maybe you shouldn’t endanger yourself I dunno I don’t want the world to hurt you’ to save tops 20 people and Martha telling him that he literally doesn’t ‘owe’ anyone for EXISTING when the world was ready to toss him to the wolves to save itself AND they’ve spent the last year or so being awful about him is… not?
The thought occurred to me last night and I’m seriously trying to figure out why everyone threw a fit about the second one but everyone can see the parental, protective love that’s a part of the first one.
And this is NOT bashing WW. It’s a lovely scene! And important! I can 100% sympathize with Hippolyta. I’m more commenting on the REACTION to it. Like, that first one with Jon, it came off rough, but even the Martha line got SERIOUS flack when the trailers for BvS came out. Seriously. What the heck is the difference?
because people are so used to telling little girls “no don’t do that” “you shouldn’t do that” “I don’t want you to do that” and for little boys, they’re allowed to explore and expected to take up “heroic” aka “manly” responsibilities. Also it’s been such a given that male heroes get told it’s their duty to help those in need or to save the day no matter their personal feelings, especially if they have the ability (”with great power…”)
I think beyond what Jonathan told young Clark, people just didn’t want to see a young, struggling, conflicted Clark. They just wanted to see the baby arrive on Earth, and then see the grown up become the hero they’re used to.
Also, Wonder Woman didn’t show humanity rejecting a powerful being, because audiences are so used to superheroes that they assume the general population would embrace someone with powers being a hero. So they were like “yeah finally a (DCEU) movie that gets it right.” But MoS and BvS took the ultimate realistic approach on how a godlike being and brutal vigilante would get treated, and people probably took it as an insult that the filmmakers rightly assumed how horribly humanity would act toward heroes like that.
This is the reason people (especially dceu haters) have a hard time grasping the fact that more people have died in Avengers, GotG, and AoU where several city blocks and a city and a WHOLE COUNTRY were demolished. than it ever did in MoS where it was clearly shown in BvS that the damage was limited to no more than a couple city blocks.
Because the common ordinary people in mcu are no more than moving props within the narrative, they only existed as background numbers but were almost NEVER focused on nor acknowledged. The opposite is true for dceu, where the everyday people have a consistent presence within the narrative. they would react accordingly to the incidents happening around them, they have differing emotions, they have dialogues and would express opinions, THEY WERE ALWAYS ACKNOWLEDGED.
the suffering of a few people the dceu narrative “acknowledged as people” would ALWAYS weigh more heavily in people’s mind, subconsciously or otherwise, than the death of thousands or millions of background phantoms the mcu narrative gloss over. And this is another one of the many reasons I would ALWAYS prefer dceu.
I think my favorite thing about Henry Cavill’s Superman is that he isn’t this brash, talkative, overly confident person. It’s cool to see that you can be heroic without those qualities, that it isn’t necessary in order to be good. I like that he always tries to do the right thing, regardless of what people think of him. I believe that in this modern world that’s important. Everyone has an opinion on everything and they can break down your dreams and it can seem easy to give up, but, Superman doesn’t give up on doing the right thing, regardless of how the world feels. That gives me hope that I can do the same thing too. I might be reaching with this feeling but if I’m reaching for anything it’s the stars, hopeful that I can be quiet but still great, just like Superman.
Great words! I relate to this so much. I don’t know how can someone say that he’s “not like Superman should be” or something like this. Speaking for myself, he truly gives me hope (I’m a very quiet and non-confident person). I think he’s the first superhero to actually give me hope on the superhero movies these days.
Being humble and kind is Superman at his base, the problem with Henry Cavill’s Superman is he doesn’t do much else
He literally saves the world…twice. He saves people all the time. Also, he saves THE WORLD!
Kahina Ziri’s subplot in Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016).
This totally changed Senator Finch’s “Today is a day for truth” line during Superman’s hearing. She was going to expose Lex.
This is also the reason she needed to die from Lex’s standpoint. She was a respected Figure who knew the truth and would not be manipulated by Lex. She could have swayed the world to believe Superman was on their side.
I mean if you really think about it what actually drove Clark being antagonized by politcians, the media and parts of society was his silence. He didn’t outright speak for himself and he was never offered a space to. Instead he was constantly talked about. Clark is definitely the type who would want his actions to speak for themselves at least as superman. However without context his actions could be interpreted any which way and that’s what Lex was working with.
Senator Finch was just about to let Clark do his whole “I’m as american as they come I’m from Kansas senator” thing and create a context in which he could be seen as a guy trying to do the right thing.
Senator Finch was going to give Clark a Voice and that was actually the biggest threat to Lex’s plan.
I’m just thinking about how this could also be a parallel to Lois in MoS, because it would have been the easiest thing to agree woth everyone and say he’s an alien we’re better of without him. She somehow believed however that he should have the chance to talk about what happened. As Lois immediately believed that Clark had a story and upon finding that he had a life like anyone else she allowed him privacy.
It’s amazing to see women in positions of power using their emotional intelligence to make good decisions and they’re a perfect contrast to the antagonists who didn’t have or didn’t use their emotional intelligence and therefore made catastrophic decisions.
Ooop i still had more.
Because ultimately Kahina also made a choice. Whatever Lex gave her to play a pawn in his game her conscience didn’t agree and especially with what Lex had planed, she was also a very dangerous loose end. She went to the Senator to tell her about Clark what would have stopped her from going to the press? She seemed determined to right her wrongs. This is also interesting if we keep up the theme of ladies with emltinal intelligence v men who didn’t use it.
Wallace Keefe was used like a weapon. Just like Bruce. Their anger made them an easy target. Lex let Bruce steel the kryptonite because he knew Bruce would know what to do with it and he would have the best chance of killing Clark. Wallace was used because he would have taken any chance to stand up to Superman and throw his faults in his face. To show the world that superman is no hero and a fals god. Both of these men had hate so great they didn’t even for a second question the situation they had found themselves in.
Whereas the women did and found flaws which they tried to correct and therefore they were a great danger to Lex’s plan.
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