I don’t have the comic with me to pull the direct quotes- but anyone else want to complain about the speech in Batman: Hush that bashes Dick Grayson and Jason Todd to shill Tim Drake as Robin, that not only is that the bad writing happening here but that it also rings very false?

*brief google search later*

Here’s the panel:

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Now, Hush was the very first Batman comic I read, though I had watched several movies, tv shows, read the wiki articles and followed and listened to the fandom for years – so I wasn’t going into this blind. Preconceived notions and a general idea of what backstories were and thus what would logically fit those.

Then this page. I couldn’t overlook even in the first read-through that this was a) Gross Victim Blaming WTF and b) didn’t line up to what I understood of the bare-bones of why these three characters (Dick, Jason, Tim) became Robin.

Everyone knows Dick Grayson’s backstory – his parents are killed by a mobster, he becomes Robin with Batman so to get vengeance on his parents’ murderer. Distinctions of vengeance versus justice aside, when I read Dark Victory a few months later, that I was seeing an angry little robin gave me vindication. That Dick could find exhilaration, ‘a thrill’, in being Robin and that he was -in comparison to Bruce- more lighthearted about how he went along with life outside and in the cowl, I found to be in-character. Was the thrill why he did it? No. Dick leaving Bruce to become Nightwing was a superhero equivalent of going off to college, wanting some independence from his father-figure when entering adulthood. The nuance seemed a little off, but not terribly so.

Then we get to Jason and Tim.

Oh-boy.

So first a confession of what I knew and my biases coming in. Sometime when I was a kid in the late nineties I learned that there was more than one Robin, that the two other robins were some kid who killed by Joker via crowbar and then another replacement. Something, maybe because young me thought the word crowbar was inherently ridiculous, latched onto the absurdity and later the tragedy of ‘Robin #2 killed by a crowbar’. Then I learned more details of their one-sentence backstories. Jason was a street-kid that stole the Batmobile’s tires. That was very memorable and awesome. Tim was the kid that figured out who Batman and Robin were by following them and taking pictures. Okay, less plausible, less entertaining. More I read up on who Tim was, my strong early impression was “He’s a Batman fan self-insert.” You could have told me he knew who Batman was because he read Batman comics and he got pulled into the comic universe from the real world – because that fanboy character was the exact vibe he had to me. Last Action Hero.

Jason was latching onto becoming Robin because his alternative was poverty and a life of crime. He was the opposite of sheltered rich kid. I couldn’t and still can’t understand this concept of Jason treating dangerous crime-fighting as a game.

But Tim? Whose character was built around a distant admiration of the symbols of Batman and Robin? I could see the “wanted to be the world’s greatest detective”. It made Tim sound like the Riddler, driven by ego of being smarter than everyone else. But if I had to pick which Robin I would expect a comic-book to say “he saw being Robin as a game”, I thought it was obvious that quote would be in regards to TIm. That his arcs would be all about learning the reality behind being a hero. That it was dangerous. What the impacts of crime and social inequalities would be on real people. Basic rookie arcs. And yet the implication of “Tim the best Robin, the only one to know what it’s about”….what.

Still baffled by this.

Mike W. Barr and Alan Davis Jason and Bruce are so friggin cute and I love them

ladyloveandjustice:

Basically in Mike W. Barr’s Detective Comics they pretty
much ignored all the DARK AND EDGY junk that was starting to seep into other
Batman comics, They had “adult” elements like acknowledging that Bruce had issues and more realistic crimes and serious murderous threats and stuff, but they also had a dash of camp, were way more upbeat than most comics Jason was in and he was a LOT happier in general. Bruce was also a generally good role model.

This was all mostly roughly around the time Jason got his
new origin and stopped being a Dick Grayson Clone backstorywise, so it is canon
for the modern version of him, it seems (especially since there’s references to
his former “life of crime” and issues with Two Face towards the end of this
run), and I don’t really think it contradicts too much. Even in the more “zomggrimdarkcomics”
of the day Jason had a very strong happy and cute side, his default ISN’T angry, he just
happens to be very emotional. And this was all before his FAITH IN THE SYSTEM!!! was broken too. 

Anyways, basically Jason’s entire role in these comics was to Be SUPER
ADORABLE all the time.

aND Bruce’s role was to be a total nerd dad.

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Bruce: WE CAN’T MAKE OUT RIGHT NOW SELINA MY KID IS RIGHT
HERE!!!!

Selina: okay you’re weird maybe I’ll date someone else.

Jason in the background: …

But anyway I love this art Jason is so tiny and cute?

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SO TINY!!!!

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SASSY GAY SON

And Bruce Wayne: Actual Good Dad

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BRUCE TELLING JASON HE SHOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF WOMEN NO MATTER THEIR PROFESSION AND IT DOESN’T MATTER IF THEY’RE SEX WORKERS? REALLY GREAT? (also yes this was back when he said “chum” a lot, I kind of wish he still did that sometimes)

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Bruce sees that Jason is upset about not being able to help
so tries to make it clear it’s okay and gives him cake!!! Really cute!!!

Keep reading

4, Damian and Jason? I totally understand if you don’t get to this one :)) thanks for doing this!!

incogneat-oh:

4: sick!fic

Bruce’s shoulders are heavy as he walks upstairs. 

Alfred had left a few minutes before to run some errands, and had given him very firm instructions to head on up to check on Damian. He hates seeing his kids sick; it’s one of those inexplicable parent-things that he never would have anticipated before taking in Dick. 

Seeing them sick as adults is bad enough (here his step falters, and he cringes, makes a mental note to check on Tim), but to see Damian, small and pale and weak, breath wheezing in his chest, pains Bruce deep inside. A soft spot he doesn’t like to acknowledge or even think about. 

But days like today, he has no choice. 

And it’d be much worse, he thinks, for his children to be sick and alone… He stops briefly outside Damian’s door, already feeling the corners of his mouth pull down. He raps two knuckles lightly on the door, says, 

“Damian… it’s just me, I’m coming in,” and he doesn’t wait for a confirmation, because he isn’t expecting a response. Damian had been complaining of a sore throat days before his other symptoms, after all. 

And when he enters, his son’s room is dark. Heavy curtains thrown closed, lights off, the conflicting smells of stale air and fresh sheets. Clearly in spite of Alfred’s best efforts. 

There, standing in the centre of the room, is Jason Todd. In his arms is a blanketed-lump, a dark-haired head pressed into his shoulder. And Jason, looking up, shushes him.

Feeling off-balance, blinking, trying to reconcile the image in front of him, it occurs to Bruce that Jason was not shushing him. He was shushing Damian, and keeps murmuring to him, low, gentle. He hears the words ‘just Dad’, and ‘don’t move, it’s fine’, but the rest is too quiet for him to hear.

Damian, still in his pyjamas, weak and ill, his normally caramel skin an ash grey, shifts his arms. Clinging tighter to Jason, who just says, “I got you, akhi. I got you.” 

The boy is a good few feet off the ground, sitting on Jason’s hip like a much younger child. Hands gripped carefully to the back of Jason’s t-shirt. And Jason, he notices, is actually swaying slightly, walking in little circles, arms gentle and fully supporting Damian’s weight. Damian’s face is hidden, but he makes a small sound of discontent, and Jason shifts his grip. Pulling him closer, murmuring something in… Arabic?

“What’s going on?” Bruce says, finally. Voice choked.

And Jason looks up from across the room, frowns at him. Brow wrinkling. Like it’s obvious. Still swaying, shifting on his feet, one hand rubbing up and down Damian’s blanket-covered back, he says, “I’m minding the kid. Lil demon’s sick as hell, he needs rest.”

“… he has a bed,” Bruce says.

Then Jason looks at him like he’s an idiot. “He’s an assassin baby, Boss. Do you know how much it freaks him, to lie down in the same place for hours? He’s too weak to defend himself if he had to, and he can barely move.”

The boy makes another sad little sound, and Jason keeps pacing. Keeps rubbing one hand in circular motions over Damian’s back. Says, “كلشيءعلىمايرام” and “أنت آمن الحبيب,and he quiets. 

“We— we have an alarm,” Bruce says, because it still doesn’t make sense, the way Jason is gentle and sweet and kind with his enormous hands and his enormous shoulders– the hands Bruce has seen break bones, the shoulders usually stiff with the weight of guns and knives and anger– the way he moves like a slow-dancer, keeping Damian pressed against him. 

They don’t even get along.

And he remembers, suddenly, vividly, standing with Jason outside of Wayne Enterprises— it’d been windy and they were walking to the car, discussing a case, and the boy had said, grin wide and cocky, “Don’t worry, B, I’m great with kids.” 

Bruce couldn’t help but laugh, then, looking down at him in his rumpled school uniform to say, “You are a kid, Jay.”

The grin had turned immediately to a huff; “Barely. And I mean younger kids.” Then, “Back before, when my mom… just. Sometimes I’d help, with some of the neighbour’s kids in the building, like if they got sick or whatever. And, like, they couldn’t always take off work cuz their kid was sick, so sometimes I’d skip school, to, you know. Mind them and stuff.”

“Yeah,” the here-and-now Jason is saying, voice heavy with sarcasm. “Because feelings are always rational. Especially when you’re ten years old and have goddamn-pneumonia.”

And Bruce… shakes himself, takes a few steps forward. Quietly, “How’s he doing?”

Jason looks down at the boy, frowning slightly. Shifting his grip. “ ‘bout as good as you could expect. Poor brat.”

Bruce reaches out, rubbing a hand through Damian’s sweat-stiff hair. Alfred had helped him wash it yesterday, after they’d come home from the hospital. Bruce had had to piggy-back him from the car.

At his touch, Damian stirs, lifting his head from Jason’s shoulder; mumbles tightly, “Father?” 

He blinks tiredly, confusedly, at Bruce.

“Yeah, Damian,” he says. “It’s okay, just try not to talk.” And then, to Jason, “You want me to take over?”

Jason shakes Damian very gently, then, to get his attention; his head had already fallen back to Jason’s shoulder, his eyes closed again. “Hey, baby brat. You comfy here, or you want Dad to take you for a bit?”

The boy shifts effortfully, wrapping his arms more tightly around Jason’s neck. Hiding his face completely once more. 

And Jay actually smiles at that, says, “Uh-huh, okay.” A beat. “You know we’re gonna keep you safe, yeah?”

Muffled from Jason’s shirt and what has to be at least two blankets, Damian says, “… tuh.”

“Did you just try to click your tongue at me?” Jason asks him. “Jeez, you must be messed up. Don’t worry, your condescension is implied.”

And Jason makes another two short trips around the room, which actually seems to help help soothe Damian. He falls into a doze somewhere around the chest of drawers, the painful-sounding rasps of his breath slowing. Bruce just stands there, uncomfortable, unsure what to do.

“What time did Alfred say he’d be back?” Jason asks, after a minute. Quiet. 

“Less than an hour,” Bruce says, and Jason nods, like that’s what he expected. He explains, “Kid needs his next lot of pills at four, but I don’t know the dose.”

“I didn’t know you spoke Arabic,” Bruce says, after a moment of relative silence, broken only by Damian’s breathing and Jason’s footsteps on the carpet. 

“I don’t, really,” Jay dismisses. “Just a couple phrases I learned, when Talia. From when I was upset.” 

And that’s when Damian stirs, fidgeting uncomfortably. He pulls back far enough to see Jason’s face and gives a whine, says “Where’s Grayson.” and then sags again, clearly exhausted by his outburst.

“We’ve had this conversation a couple times already,” Jason reminds the kid, without heat. Rolling his eyes, but there’s a sympathetic twist to his lips, and his hand doesn’t slow on rubbing Damian’s blanket-covered back. “He’s on a plane, remember? He called us a few hours ago, when he was going to board. He’s still in the air now. And you know he’s gettin’ here as quick as he can.”

And Damian says something that sounds a lot like “Hrrrmmm,” sounding, for once, like a regular child his age, and doesn’t move.

Jay presses the back of his hand lightly to Damian’s cheek, then, frowning. “Hey, B? You mind getting the thermometer? I think his temperature’s back up.” 

And Bruce says, “Of course,” and is halfway out the door when Jason says, “It’s in the third kitchen drawer.”

“Thanks, Jason.”

“Sure,” he says easily, still pacing. 

And Jason’s back is to him, when he turns around. Pausing. His older son is keeping up a low murmur, half-Arabic, half-English, and his hold is exceedingly careful. Like Damian is something precious and fragile.

And this, too, is another thing he could never have predicted about parenthood; this feeling of awe and warmth, overwhelming pride. He knows his boys well enough to know they will never talk about this. As soon as Damian is strong enough to walk on his own, as soon as the colour is back in his cheeks, it will be back to constant insults and barely-contained violence. 

But for now, Bruce thinks, at least there’s–

“Nn… Todd?”

“Yeah, kid?”

“Your accent’s … ‘ttrocious.”

Excuse you, demon. Jesus. You try to do something nice…”

– well, something there. Probably.

END.