muchas gracias
and aye if I had the choice of Elwing I feel I’d have tempted to make the same, and pledge my loyalty to the people of the forest and sea, even if I am not a fair voiced singer – in fact but very rarely have ever raised my voice in song but armed with the knowledge of my voice’s unsweetness. But as much as I love the Vanyar, I know the company of elves I most adore.
here here for anons that are sweeties 🙂
If I want to be nasty, this would be the perfect title for the Eglath thinking about their Teleri kin that followed Olwë and abandoned them and Elwë. Yep, the Galadhon goes up to Círdan and asks him if Ossë has heard anything from his uncle and oldest sister- do they ever ask about us, did they and the rest of the Eldar even really make it to Aman, why do I care, how can you stand to even look out at the ocean?
Obvious answer would be a Númenor fic staring Bortë, Elros, and the rest doing the preliminary settling of the island and drafting the new city and farmland, pasturage, etc… on this brand new pristine island. Though thinking on this, Cuiviénen proto-farming fic starring the Nelyar would cover the same concept. Or even the Vanyar in Aman the first year.
The less literal title would be to go metaphorical relationship/smut for anyone, which isn’t my strength. Well, it could be the Aegnor and Andreth say screw it and reconcile and initiate the actual relationship that leads to “Whatcha Gonna Call It?” in the universe where they are the ones to try for the universe’s very first mortal/immortal marriage, which because of all the unknown variables is a bigger act of courage than fandom acknowledges I think. But this is too bland/light a title for that. Maybe an outsider perspective -ah yes, this would be the Finrod learning of the marriage and his letters of responses and reactions and philosophical musings alluded to in that fic.
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To drag them away from a big fight because they’re injured
Man I’d have to read more canon carefully, because these stubborn vigilantes would be The Absolute WORST.
Okay, this whole thing depends on who I can get to help convince the injured party to get away (aka Alfred, with additional help from Cass and Babs).
He is easy to write and works wonderfully for me as a POV.
Arfinwion Exilic Noldor. Most tolerable form of the breed.
See answer below for favorite quote- but short version: he redeems (not completely but at least makes an effort towards re-balancing) the incredibly vile moral debt that the Noldor as a whole have incurred to Sindar. Not at first, and reacting out of defensive brotherly feelings for Finrod and tired of being belittled and undermined and then grouped with people who have murdered or tried to murder members of his family. But he does. He has the most moral high ground and integrity of any of the Exiles.
He never looses sight that his reason for being in Beleriand is to fight Morgoth. Not the gems, not empire building, not attacking non-Morgoth allied groups.
He supports and listens to Fingolfin, is one of the few that are actively supporting FIngolfin’s desires as High King of the Noldor in Beleriand and therefore giving validation and political weight to that title. Because if the fellow princes do not, that leadership title is meaningless – feudal ties are a two-way mutual support and if the lower end of the hierarchy does not buy into the social contract, there is no organized society. Angrod and Aegnor’s loss after the Bragollach is what destroys the High Kingship as anything but lip-service, though it is the loss of Finrod the Diplomat and C&C destroying any trust and moral standing among allies that is the final death knell.
His grandfather was Olwë – he must have had a great deal of familiarity with Alqualondë, with sailing and the ocean and ‘Iron Grip’ conjures images of him holding firmly onto lines for the sails or the steering rudders.
Orodreth is older brother or son? Because I flip-flop on this question constantly. Also, did the name Iron-grip mean Tolkien wanted any Noldor smithing traits assigned to Angrod or was this solely a martial epithet? What was his thoughts on the whole Aegnor/Andreth situation?
Then Angrod spoke bitterly against the sons of Fëanor, telling of the blood at Alqualondë, and the Doom of Mandos, and the burning of the ships at Losgar. And he cried: ‘Wherefore should we that endured the Grinding Ice bear the name of kinslayers and traitors?’
Truth! Maybe it’s the years of reading Wheel of Time, but look, common decency and telling your allies crutial info.
Look, you want to know the direct comparison to the Noldor coming into Beleriand and lying to Thingol’s face and his people about murdering Thingol’s people and kin, if only by omission? It would be exactly if the Valar, upon paroling Morgoth, had not informed any of the Elves that this is Morgoth and he had been responsible for the capture and torture of elves in Cuiviénen, that because they think he’s repentant now (and without imprisoning Morgoth in Mandos for as long as they did or at all) the Ainur will stay silent about his crimes, his history of rebellion, in fact will lie and imply or say that Morgoth has always obeyed Eru. In fact it would be as if Morgoth showed up to that party after murdering Finwë and losing the Silmarils to Ungoliant and because now he wants to go after that spider in revenge he’s totally on Manwë’s side and no one says anything to Fëanor or Fingolfin or the rest of the Noldor. The lack of fandom outrage on behalf of the Sindar for the Kinslaying is gross.
Aside from my headcanon version?
Published Silm version. Ignore any version that has them joining the Fëanorians on the ships or a friendship that survives that moment (With the rest of their characterization)
He lived among the Bëorians for several generations, had a working early-feudal style relationship (which are deeply personal bonds), died beside and for them.
And Aegnor.
And Edhellos. (Question yet again- Eldalotë has a Sindarin name because she went into Exile or is this a Arfinwë=Finarfin thing?)
No clue.
See moral high-ground. Trumps even Finrod in that respect.
Well, looking past my distaste over how very Lannister a title that sounds (Unlike the rest of my dash I dislike all of them as much as I dislike all the Targs) and going by the symbolism of outlaw/wolf’s-head and a lion as a young too-bold hero, this sounds like a Túrin surrounded by the outlaws shaming them into fighting against outlaws and orcs. Except it’s me, so it’d probably be a Tuor versus Lorgan’s occupied Dor-lómin. And hey, it’s sort of interesting that Tuor was acting as an outlaw helping people there during the time that Túrin was conflicted and worried about his people.
Okay, what this quote would really be is in the section of the hodgepodge original universe loosely based on Batfam characters, because the central conflicts are between a Kingmaker/ninja nobleman whose iconography is tied to a black lion and his squires/sons, one of which is the birth-son of a wolf-themed mercenary and via death and magical resurrection gets some very literal coyote/wolf imagery.
Hitting me with the Iliad when I hate it and never bothered to read through it yet have always liked the Odyssey (of my meager collection of “actual classics” on my physical bookshelf, it sits, but with less pride or affection than Gilgamesh. Let it be know heget is a ho for Gilgamesh)
So the bitter long war waged by assholes operating on pride, obligations to fellow tribal prices, more ego and pride, misjudgment, and a heroic glory ethic that I’m far more comfortable analyzing and contrasting it to Christian ideals of immortalization and glory when it’s in Beowulf as opposed to Ancient Greek…yeah that’s the damned Noldor of the First Age, and circa or post the Fifth Battle.
And the theme of assholes sacking and destroying a beautiful civilization is the Destruction of Doriath, Elwing as the Trojan Women but especially Aeneas…
Achilles is awful so if I was writing a silm fic titled after Achilles I know the only character that feels that same feeling of ‘he’s a hero but frankly isn’t someone I’d call heroic and yeah no fuck that bastard’ is maybe Maedhros. But this meme is “What Fic Would I Write?”
…so Achilles in his tent and my bizarre attachment to writing about/centered around Nargothrond without actually exploring everything Children of Húrin means if this was a fic from me, it’s probably be about Doriath and Nargothrnd’s token participation in the Union of Maedhros. Because fuck adding to the pile of Maedhros and/or Fingon centered around the Nirnaeth stories. Maybe something about Gwindor. (There’s a demand then for a followup where Gelmir’s presentation and death is combined with Hector, title quote and so on).
Though to be very honest, if I brainstormed long enough, I’d find a way to twist this into a story about Uldor. …Yes.
Oh man, walking epic tragedy Turambar. Warning- while I don’t have the dislike for him (coming off the tragedy of his tale more than his character himself) that I had three years ago, I’m still not his fan. I don’t dislike him; I just don’t have investment into him. He is one of Tolkien’s strongest and most developed characters (An opinion I held even when my thoughts towards him were unkind), but I still try to give him a wide breath as anyone attached to his Doom should have if they could have. ;p
The re-naming – sure I tease about his many names. But it’s fascinating and this great psychological element as much as a story element that I’m a sucker for. How he is constantly trying to distance himself or re-appropriate or accept from others or try to reject all the various legacies and self-history and how he framed all of that by what name he is known by others by and what name he chooses for himself and the conflict when those don’t match up. And then the sheer irony of some of those names. How epithets and the development and spread of legends runs through all of Túrin’s narrative.
He defends the weak and is very kind. Also it’s interesting how he attaches himself to characters that are lamed or disabled in some way, who would be disrespected by society, and looks up to them. First with Sador, then Gwindor, and lastly Brandir. (Mîm might count in this).
He killed a dragon, starting the trend that only mortals, not elves, can do this feat.
Talking cursed sword. That is the coolest character. And original Exacilbur than needed the magical scabbard as to control the blood-lust. A sword that might or might not hate its wielder, that snarks back. Created my original stories off the concept of Gurthang because I loved it so much.
The ambiguity of the curse and how it functions and what is curse versus nature versus the situation of a continent in the grips of a losing war.
If I read more about him I might have something. …Uh, probably great at wordplay games and puns. Yeah, wasn’t Húrin infamous for his puns? Between him and Thingol I bet Túrin knew all the lame dad jokes and puns and was super-super excited to be a father and get to use all those on his kid.
Did he ever meet Dior?
There he drew forth his sword, that now alone remained to him of all his possessions, and he said: ‘Hail Gurthang! No lord or loyalty dost thou know, save the hand that wieldeth thee. From no blood wilt thou shrink. Wilt thou therefore take Túrin Turambar, wilt thou slay me swiftly?’
And from the blade rang a cold voice in answer: ‘Yea, I will drink thy blood gladly, that so I may forget the blood of Beleg my master, and the blood of Brandir slain unjustly. I will slay thee swiftly.’
I only ever made it through the version in the published Silm. Though I think I read the version in the Unfinished Tales when I first bought that book. Either that or it was the snippets of the translated Kalevala so I only remember the sister flinging herself from the moving sled after the incest reveal and can’t remember if that was ever in an early version of the story. I have CoH somewhere and I need to read it eventually.
Túrin and Gwindor. That relationship gets overshadowed by the one with Beleg but it shouldn’t.
Accidentally kill them while trying to help Considering how often he hung out with Nellas in the forest learning about it, I have a feeling Túrin would be fascinated by Tom’s knowledge and songs and find a relaxing shelter and solace at Tom’s home. Then Túrin would try to help out and fight Old Man Willow or something and Doom follows him and there goes Old Tom’s last piece of pastoral peace preserved in Arda Marred.
He was always trying to make things better for everyone around him/be a hero. An actual hero, not that Byronic plot device anti-villain hero only if you are really generous and skew the text that some of those elven characters are (you know who they are; I’m trying to be civil).
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