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Your characterizations, as usual, continue to give me life. love it!

(Now that I can actually reply) Thank you! This made me quite giddy while listening to Harvey’s winds over the sound of my snoring dog, btw. Characterizations aren’t something I’d label as my strength as a writer (I…honestly couldn’t accurately judge what are my strengths), and since this one-shot was general world-building head-canon and short on character study -except ironically a bit for Fingon- it was not what I was expecting praise for. Not complaining, mind you 😉

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It would be THE most self indulgent twaddle yet,…

DO IT

LOL 

I’m not sure if this is just a ringing endorsement of ‘Follow your ID Candy! Write Self-Indulgences!” of if someone really wants to read about Findis debating with her platonic soulmate about how many characters to have in this band -three isn’t enough but twelve is too many; do we go with nine or down to five?

And that it starts with commissioned to do another popular valiant knights and their bonded steeds (last time it was horses), but wanting to do something different, thinking about Eärendil’s hallowed Vingilot and the vessels of the sun and moon which Arien and Tilion pilot – let’s do flying mechanical vessels but we’ll make them animal shaped and imbued with the holy light and spirit as if they were Maiar, and at first they go with Eagles but a stray comment about how their Vanyarin audience loves eagles almost as much as lions, and Heledir starts laughing about flying lions and demands that Findis make them lions. Or that Aunt Ravennë and Grandma Mahtamë are huge fans, especially of ‘Shiro’, and Ravennë ships him with the princess like she was the head of the Shallura fan club. (’They can’t look too much like orcs. ..Let’s just color them purple. And small fangs.’) Ban is appalled that the pet cat belongs to one of the bad guys.

This gave me shivers!

As long as it was good shivers, I’ll gladly accept and take blame! For some reason a lot of readers found this fic creepier than I did while envisioning and writing it

And a big shout out to #one of the best silm fics to ever fic  @elfmaiddryope and #this is honestly one of my absolute favorite silm fics ever @mirandatam

Y’all makin’ me blush!

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“exactly in character” qhdhjahaid I Laughed

The more I started writing about ‘hey this is horse theft, wait I know because of Wild West and Welsh and English medieval laws that that is huge no-no because here’s the logic for why this shit was worse than normal theft or regular murder – oh wait. This is also why I get so enraged when people aren’t appropriately outraged at the murder and theft of the Swanships and why objectively on impact to the victims of said crime the stealing of the Swanships was a hell of a lot worse than stealing the Silmarils.’

Look, do you believe Fëanor “I must stop my half-brothers from following me” wouldn’t be petty enough/planning ahead to make sure to steal their horses too?

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Horse Theft

I’m here having dinner in this big can and hysterically trying not to laugh omfg

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Confession: I had to stop myself from going full style like Whatcha Gonna Call It? with parenthetical snarky asides and quips, though if the great unfulfilled horse caper planning section gets expanded into a longer paragraph, I make no promises.

this is amazing ahhh, wow I love the variation of the horses in Beleriand and how little things that we don’t think of are BIG PROBLEMS!!!! i love this <3

Tweaking it and seeing if maybe expanding on the end bit to post it as a proper fic to AO3. But yes. What can be more me but the elaborate overthinking of what specific animal breeds by population and need one would find in the First Age?

I know the quote specifically says more strength and vigor thanks to living in Valinor and long swords as the reason behind the victory of the Battle-under-the-Stars, but the quote about the Noldor’s superior horses and the general background framework of late antiquity/medieval period for Arda – it is the most natural and obvious conclusion to think -Noldor war strength = greater heavy cavalry. Their preference for stone castles and Tolkien’s, well, Anglo-Saxon love, that the Noldor are the Normans invading England with their better cavalry at Hastings…again I thought this was blindingly obvious. Then to think- okay the ONLY way horses from Valinor get to Beleriand is Fëanorians loading them onto Swanships. And Maglor’s horse troops support this. But then you have Fingolfin and Fingon just as if not more strongly associated with horses – aha those horses were obviously part of a reconciliation gift, probably passed over along with the Noldor High Kingship. (Then thinking hey wait I have Fingon as an equestrian in Valinor -sister and father too that this isn’t a post-Beleriand development – they probably certainly brought their horses with them on the initial Flight from Tirion. Then the next obvious step- Fëanor was stealing everyone’s horses when he also took the ships. That is exactly in-character for him. And it is almost exactly the same act as taking the Swanships and denying this transportation to the majority of the Noldor under his half-brothers/nephews. And ties into the reason why horse theft was considered one of the worst crimes in Iron Age up through medieval and post-medieval and even American Wild West – to murder someone is bad. To strand someone without transportation or livelihood or what was needed to help grow food and survive is worse.)

So then it’s the question of what are the native Beleriand horses- that yes the Sindar did have domesticated horses- this would be a pre-Great Journey development. How rare it was I debated (Sunless world and all that)- but Morogth’s invasion would limit the numbers regardless. So then it was: what breeds? The tarpan as the original European wild horse was where I started, and from cave paintings the common coat colors were bay and black and leopard spotting- though the mousey grullo and light dun are what you see on ‘primitive’ feral or wild horses today. Dorsal eel stripes and zebra-like leg markings. Still- black and bays for forest horses -aha of course that would also be true for Beleriand! Exmoor and Sorraia ponies for most of the looks- Beleriand has a relatively cold climate and it’s either forests, highlands, or steppe. As said, the Marshes of Nevrast around Linaewen have Camargue horses because white horses running across the shallow water is classic romantic imagery and very apropos to Tolkien. The leopard spotting was a classic and popular coat pattern of medieval and Baroque horses and is an ancient look even if nowadays mostly associated with American Appaloosa (Oh wait, Sindar elves having something in common with Native Americans, at least in the Romantic imagery? It’s not like Tolkien never suggested that sarcasm).

Valinorean horses, aside from the ‘taller, more special and magically infused blah blah’, the climate was more equatorial and the constant light says to me they would have been more like a hot-blooded desert breed with light thin skin. Not full on Arabians, but idk, Akhal-Teke. Then again, these ‘Oriental-type’ horses are relatively short.

And open fields and stone castle Noldor need fields for growing crops, which means plough animals. Horses were not the most common plough animal until after the medieval period, but I was only overthinking horses in Beleriand today, not cattle.

Shoeing horses is definitely a Noldor invention.

they are omg!!

Here’s their facebook, has videos and better pics of the two varieties’s artwork (and aw lol the names are Khryseis and Ephyra). It’s the first local brewery in the city and probably this whole region of the state.

I have zero idea of it’s any good because as I said, I don’t drink at all to begin with, but there is this temptation to go back and buy them, use the light ale for cooking just to save the cans for decoration.

Ahahaha I also like CoS a lot, I have a lot of good memories of reading it at the same tima as a friend… also lmao don’t kill me but at age 12 I thought Lockhart was hilarious

Lockhart as a character to read about is one of the best creations in HP, followed by Umbridge. They provide so much plot and conflict and humor and also are the sort of villains kids will know and deal with all their lives. The reason I rank PS over CoS is because the one to start the series off always has a leg up on ratings and because of the sisterly bonding memories- but without those two things, CoS ranks higher.