šŸ”„ fashion in arda!

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Okay, you opened the floodgates on opinions:

First up, there are a lot of interpretations of fashion design designs for Tolkien that I just plain hate. I have very specific ideas, and if the clothing designs and choices are too generic, don’t have overall consistency, break world-building conventions, go too far astray into RPG or Victorinisms territory, or are just boring…I throw my private judgmental bitch-fit that I do for all costuming for fantasy works. I accept that I have very distinct ideas for many groups and time periods in Arda and until I get off my ass and draw/share them, I can’t be judging. So, you want the master-post list of the fashion headcanons? I’ll try to list the majority of what I’ve come up with, roughly chronologically:

CuiviĆ©nen. GO LOOK AT PREHISTORIC CLOTHING. Examples and reconstructions do exist. Okay I don’t think we have a tech and civilization level beyond low Stone Age but they probably have weaving of textiles by then. But for the first couple years? No. But does that mean no intricate hide garments covered in hundreds of beads made of shell and bone? Give me that. Give me that instead of white robes.Ā 

I could go on and on about the fashion of CuiviĆ©nen alone, I know I have. But for transitions- linen is discovered around the time of Oromë’s arrival. Layering with proto-linen garments under the tube skirt/dresses and leather leggings is a thing. Egyptian-style linen garments is going to be the inspiration for some Avari and/or Vanyar. But this is the Wastonian answer for linen shifts and those lovely white undershirts.

Sindarin fashion evolves into this blend of Korean hanbok and Italian Renaissance. I’m sorry, but the fashion of the early Renaissance is infinitely prettier than any medieval look. The same way Victorian fashion, be it the bustle skirts or the early hoop skirts, are actually really ugly and Empire/Regency fashion is prettier. Am I biased towards empire-waistline garments? Hell yes. Sindar in Beleriand wear a lot of silk. It is the primary textile. Armor is padded layers of silk (effective!). Queen Melian showed them how to harvest the silk from silk worms. The mulberry trees and secrets of silk production are mostly lost when Beleriand is destroyed. Men’s fashion is pants or hose over a few layers of tunic and a jacket, then over robes or a mantle. Bright colors and very striking patterns- outside it might be dark, but inside homes the Sindar are going to have illumination- why the heck does anyone think inside Menegroth it was twilight? Colors like bright red are going to show up as camouflage-worthy gray when hunting outside – it’s reflective shiny stuff and pure blacks to avoid- there is no worries about hunting in daytime. Beleg has bright red shoes because he’s too lazy to switch over okay and he spend years breaking them in to be really comfy. Patterns to break the silhouette. Older styles have the skirt and short jacket pieces as separate (sort of like the chima and jeogori) whereas later styles sew the vest to the skirt and the sleeves are the detachable part. Again layers of white undergarments. LĆŗthien was wearing an old style blue dress and removed her over-vest/jacket to have those bare arms as described in the Lay.

The slashing trend was not because of the Swiss Guard this time but survivors returning from fighting Morgoth that first time.

Noldor are Tudor. They love their towers and castles, there are gable hoods to reflect that. If they can invent cubic zirconia (jewelsmiths~) in Valinor, they are inventing those bright Victorian synthetic dyes- and showing an equally Victorian lack of refined taste in using said new colors. Some elven asshole probably invents neon bright dyes and the Noldor decide that is the fucking best and color-palette wise the sons of FĆ«anor look like the unholy manifestation of the 1980s. Rainbow everything. Tacky elves. Shiny spangles all over everything. Most detail work is possements and embroidery and jewelry that is attached separately to garments and can be changed out or added to a new piece. Sindarin tapestry patterns versus embroidered fabrics with heavy use of metallic threads. (This is why the looks aren’t perfect matches with the inspirations). They take fashion ideas and run with it and add structures and exaggerations, so that’s why the hint of the linen undershirt peeking up at the collar turns into those huge starched ruffs needing hundreds of pins that also do a great job of creating this halo/negative space around a person’s head and hair as to highlight it. I’m sparing the codpiece, but frankly I could be talked into it.

Vanyar are simpler. Falmari more sensible fabric and fabric dyes.

Noldor stuck in Beleriand are subdued down from that Jacobean to Tudor look, because historical fashion inspirations in reverse. The look in Nargothrond is Cranach gown/Northern Renaissance. By the end of the First Age it’s those Burgundian gowns of the 1400s. There wasn’t enough fabric to waste for houppelandes.

Edain fashion turn to tradition European folk designs, especially Central Europe, look at how detailed the embroidery is, but also remember that this period is basically early bronze age to 500-1100s Europe with the dissolution of civilizations, look, Tolkien, call it the Dark Ages. The alternative to Tudor!Elves i accept as valid, by the way, is Roman!elves.

BĆ«orians have Tartan. Hadorim are free to Viking up the heck the way the Rohirrim were. Haladim more subdued than both, but some lovely bold black and white patterned fabrics- hounds-tooth, checked, stripes. Trading with Doriath will do that. Their sleeves, unlike the other Edain, tend to be dolman – Ā the sleeve is not cut separate and sewn on. It’s a weird detail.

All three groups have distinct hairstyles. Beards are considered normal and manly.

Bòr have a few differences from other Easterling groups- outsiders can’t tell the difference but they can. They don’t wear beards, hair in braids. Men have two braids, women wear multiple braids, elaborate updos, there is a look sort of like the Vestal Virgin’s sini crenes where the number of braids and the complexity meant that a woman wearing her hair like it was religiously important and/or a chieftain’s wife. Said looks would need a hairdresser to help- the Easterlings have thralls, it’s a sign of wealth. Women wear loose trousers over long jackets. Boots with an upturned toe (Mongolian boot) is a sign of a tribesman related to Ulfang, not Bòr.Ā 

The returning Noldor and Vanyar from the War of Wrath bring back Beleriandic styles and especially a craze for everything and anything Edain. This is Neo-Classical Empire/Regency stuff. High waist, tubular skirts. Designs are simplified with an emphasis on severity before relaxing back into frou-frou craziness. Short hair a la LĆŗthien from the Lay of Leithian is Most Fashionable. Fake beards or at least fake sideburns. Imitation Edain patterns.

On NĆŗmenor the silhouette is baggy trousers and short tight vests for men, lots of wool and sheepskin. Women have dresses that are close to those Minoan frescoes in their look. Hourglass, padded hips, a return to that early Noldor look. White undershirts with embroidered cuffs and neck/chests on everyone. For a while the trend for men’s shirts are to have absolutely huge bell-sleeved shirts that completely hide the hands- sign of a nobleman. Tight laced vests. For women though the skirts are this huge many-tiered (traditionally white in some regions, others very colorful) skirts with small aprons. Take the Minoan Snake Goddess and combine her with Mexican folklorico dresses (especially Veracruz). Loose-fitting plain white clothing is sailor garb. No beards. Short hair. Women have curls piled high atop their heads. Lots of cute sunhats worn by everyone.

This jacket/vest over a skirt combo survives in Umbar.

Chainmail is the default armor. Full plate-mail is War of Wrath Amaynar troops. Plate armor seen elsewhere is the segmented plate of the Roman Empire or Qin Dynasty.

Oh, yeah. Rococo Ainur. That. :p

I agree so MUCH about Finarfin omggggg (and I’m still intrigued by your lalwen-fingon ideas ��)

One day it shall be written.

And yes, Finarfin fan and admirer of his courage since the teh very first read-through of The Silm.

THE MOST OVERT

Just for you, the bit of Gadwar’s story that probably won’t be in the finished work:

When he thought no one could hear him, Gadwar’s father would complain how he missed his chance to cross aboard the stolen Swan-ships, and that had that not happened, he and his family would not have had to cross the ice desert. His first wife would have not had the opportunity to decide to disappear into the darkness to die of despair somewhere in the fathomless cold. Gadwar’s older brother had been even younger than Princess Idril during the crossing and had little memory of his mother. Galuven felt no resentment.

Omg, just started Band of the Red Hand last nite on AO3, loving it annndddd can you the Vanyar up that list please? I’m not ashamed to beg at this point.

EEee! Don’t admit you’re a new reader – that’s like waving a pick of bacon in from of the dog! Okay I tease, but XD I’m glad you are enjoying this series of bittersweet OCs. Excellent timing, with the long BĆ¢n entry finally completed instead of the dribbles and incomplete pieces I’ve been sharing periodically for a year now. The out-of-order nature of writing them does probably hinder their flow if read chronologically, but hopefully they work as a complete picture by the end.

Vanyar fan, too? Well, knew there had to be a reason you were following this blog. šŸ˜‰

The WIP/To-Do List was organized by categories, not by the order in which I can promise any of it to be written, though as Release from Bondage and Of Ingwƫ are the two multi-chaptered and unfinished works over at AO3, their demands for attention are shrill. Then it becomes a toss-up between Ravennƫ-centric ideas or light-hearted Faron/Faelindis fluff.

When/if I return to the Bór – need to continue the saga of what Bledda is up to and formally introduce BortĆ«, unless I go back into pre-Beleriandic legends similar to what I did for The Brides of Death (which I bring up only because if you wonder where the inevitable fusion with Star Wars is hiding, that’s where) – said stories would have as the major supporting characters a troop of Vanyar soldiers and their commander, Edrahil and Aglar’s half-Vanyar cousin.

Oh, forgot two fic ideas from the back burner Ā – one is (Takeda Katsuyori) Fingon ousting his Aunt Lalwen as regent/adviser to take full control after Fingolfin’s death, but the other one is teenage Turgon hanging out with Vanyar scribes working in Tirion.

But as I promised, feel free to give actual prompts. or questions about the individual fics.

Ooooh, oh this bit was fun, loved all the backstory and worldbuilding you worked in here!

Aw, thanks! Getting closer to finishing the BĆ¢n and Aereth story proper, and the stuff with Aglar’s large extended family is the next to tackle.

I love the idea of fantasy elves fighting trench warfare, I cannot explain why. Some of the minor world-building details are things that I know I overthought. The folding screens, despite Amanayar manufacture, are part of my Menegroth layout head-canons where a lot of the awkwardly shaped or large caverns would be dressed and divided with adjustable wood panels and cloth. Or theĀ ā€˜full plate armor was something rare and mostly a very late medieval to renaissance thing – knights in fiction and i’m including most tolkien figures would be wearing chain or scale-mail *grump, grump*. Or me going, okay we’re going to pretend there’s a good symbolic significance to ā€œDondwenā€outfit – staring at my Tifa figurine.

crocordile replied to your post: Top 5 songs u associate with a character

I’m listening to all these jams now :’) I like your musical taste a lot hahaha

i already associated heavy in your arms with my terrible tu/nini ship but DANG it definitely matches t/j too, fuck!!! double pain now!!

Sorry i’ve used most of the songs in answers before and it’s not a wide variety, but they are favs. šŸ™‚

(who is the killer in the crowd makes me think of the ghost in winterfell murder mystery parts of that arc, and the ending that he didn’t let me down … i want a happy-ish ending)

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Yeah, that was a nice line. Also that sentence structure is a tell of mine; if you start looking for sentences where I go ā€œ___ is (at least 3 things)ā€ as a closing or transitioning thought, yeah it’s a tick.

poisons of anxiety, pain, and self-recrimination accumulated in the marrow of his bones.

is lead-in to this metaphor :Ā 

Angband was the cruel fossilization of soul, entombing a body in the miserable all-encompassing darkness of its iron mines, slowly eating away flesh and bone, and filling the cavity with a broken slinking creature that cowered in desperation.

because let me talk about the imagery and science of fossilization. It’s not petrifaction. It’s being buried under mud and dirt and that turning into stone locking it in, and then what’s been locked it dissolving and decaying away and the groundwater minerals and such filling in that hollow, replacing what has been shelled out, and that’s a much more involved and accurate metaphor for what I see as Angband’s misery and the orcs.

Also yeah, self-loathing. It’s fun as long as you ignore its existence.

ā€œ a seagull lost in the trees, roosting awkwardly with bats ā€œ I love your turns of phrase.

This was a later-added sentence, sitting on the side of whimsy, but one of my beta readers also loved it.

Re: politics – Here’s where the premise as Theon Greyjoy as an elf comes into play. Looking at this section and the next: this is one where most of the quickly introduced characters are working off parallel characters from ASoIaF. Theon from the books was the third son of the lord of basically evil viking pirate province/sub-kingdom. His father rebels, loses that rebellion and his older two sons, and has his remaining son taken as aĀ ā€œwardā€ (read: hostage) by the king and sent to live with the lord of the northernmost sub-kingdom/province. Said lord being the first main pov character, a generally honorable bloke, has all the kids that are major characters. Theon is good friends with the eldest of these kids, but knowing that while raised with them, the fact is if his viking dad ever rebelled again, the next morning Theon was getting his head chopped off. There’s a bucket of issues there, and for the first couple books yeah Theon was near the bottom of characters I liked. He was a nasty piece of work, but because of insecurities and arrested development, and nothing builds sympathy like subjecting the character to the worst in the book and have his arc be a slow reclaiming of humanity and identity and helping to rescue another character in a similar wretched state.

This is also why I have a set of tags that state that being a sympathetic fan of Theon’s situation, it makes interpretations of Elros and Elrond’s captivity that try to sugarcoat it personally annoying. Because of quotes like this:

ā€œThis is craven,ā€ Ser Rodrick said. ā€œTo use a child so… this is despicable.ā€œ

ā€œOh, I know,ā€ said Theon. ā€œIt’s a dish I tasted myself, or have you forgotten? I was ten when I was taken from my father’s house, to make certain he would raise no more rebellions.ā€

ā€œIt is not the same!ā€

Theon’s face was impassive. ā€œThe noose I wore was not made of hempen rope, that’s true enough, but I felt it all the same. And it chafed, Ser Rodrick. It chafed me raw.ā€ He had never quite realized that until now, but as the words came spilling out he saw the truth of them.ā€

So, how to translate this to the Silm? Well, the maritime group was easy to pick. Now to think of a lesser parallel version of the hostage, and I went to CĆ­rdan and Finrod’s friendship and their efforts to try and hold peace between groups with an unpaid blood debt. I refuse to believe there wasn’t lingering mistrust, dislike, and resentment of the Noldor among some Sindar, especially those that had to interact with them (when the Noldor pissed off the Taytar Avari from the get-go, c’mon…)

Also, Orodreth as someone who always hated the FĆ«anorians (unlike Angrod and Aegnor there was no much earlier discarded draft where they were once friends). More interesting if there’s only enmity between them. The idea of Nargothrond over-crowded with refugees it wasn’t prepared for.

Let’s see. The constantĀ ā€˜should have died with Aglar’ sentences were delineations of this segment of the story, plus repetition ‘i hope the readers get the point’.

Gil-galad’s parentage where I try to give a cute mathematician’s answer.

Overall this wasn’t a chapter with lines I particularly loved, except the beginning paragraphs and the end with the blue light on Aglar’s face. I do like the two parts of this section:

In those solemn months Nargothrond felt like Faron’s old home, like the tense months during the siege when Faron’s mother wept over her dead sons and his father watched the orcs on the other side of the walls. Aglar had begged Faron for guidance to weather the grief of a brother’s death as one who had traveled such a path before. Faron could not explain to his friend that his brothers had been men grown before he was born, hard men with more love for the sea than a new babe in his mother’s arms.

Firs of all, I haven’t written about the siege of Brithomber or think I’ve ever seen fic for it, which is a shame. There should be. it’s be a darker, lesser prelude to Isle of Balar right before the Army of the Valar come.Ā 

For the second half, here’s again playing with ASoIaF, because in the book, Theon (after returning home) leads his father’s vikings to raid and capture the northern province stronghold, capturing the youngest brothers of Aglar’s counterpart, Robb, and then fakes their deaths. This ..hurts (understatement) Robb, and is one of the reasons Robb sleeps with and marries Jeyne Westerling, which leads to more problems. So, Bragollach kills several brothers of people in Nargothrond (or in Gelmir’s case, appeared to). Add to it, Aglar has one brother die and cousin thought to (unlike other stories, Silm allows me to bring characters back to life, thus giving me little reservation not to kill them- if elven).Ā 

Theon’s brothers were assholes. I couldn’t make elves treat their younger siblings so terribly, so I softened it. Also, any point I can, I like to insert Falmari relatives of Sindarin characters, and said Sindar wondering and resenting and longing for the long-gone family.

I like the flow of the last part of the last sentence. *shrug*

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Hey, I adore Belle from the animated Beauty and the Beast because she was a brown-eyed brunette, and like the song Brown-Eyed Girl for the same.

The original arc from ASoIaF is…less than romantic. ….that’s an understatement. Do I ship it romantically and want a happier softer ending? Of course, hence this AU. I’m a sucker for romance and I know my fics reflect that, though it took me a sadly long amount of time to release that I could label this fic a slow-burn romance.

I love commentary, so whenever you can, trust me I’m happy. Plus it’s encouragement to write more.