ALSO re: your tags – you’re right and I TOTALLY AGREE that there needs to be more Hanseatic League in fantasy! It’s something I grumble about when people talk about “medieval fantasy”, we’re generally seeing one hell of a narrow image of medieval times. (And now I’m thinking I might draw on the League a little for the Hwenti, bc I was already thinking of them as a seagoing culture with city-states and lots of trading. Although they’re also an Athenian-style democracy…)

Yeah, Tolkien is where I don’t have a problem with the lack of representational government- but there is a discussion to be hand about how prevalent monarchies are in American SF among other things. 

The Hanseastic League is just so cool and I wish I knew more.

The original story stuff (that dumb rose story) is where I do two things- dump all the story ideas and especially expies and fanfic au ideas that I want to write but don’t want to write for that fandom. And force myself to write a setting that was “Medieval Fantasy” where I didn’t pull fashion from the Renaissance or go play in the Bronze Age. Which…I couldn’t help myself. But as I was setting up the basic medieval kingdom, I immediately decided that having just a king and lords was boring, so the king was an emperor that needed to be ratified by a group of Prince-Electors and some of those voting seats were clergy-held because my knowledge of the Holy Roman Empire might be mostly limited to Historical Fiction AU in the 1600s when those Elector votes are about to become obsolete in importance, but darn if that isn’t more interesting. And stock medieval fantasy needed more free charter towns and imperial cities. And that made me think of the Hanseatic League. And magical boats somehow. And then when I had to dump a bunch of Green Lanterns into this universe, well, perfect! If you’re forced to read Mark Twain and learn a little history of the American West, the river boat pilots stick in your head. Magic space interpol cops become magic templar summoners who exclusively work as ship pilots and security hired by the fantasy version Hanseatic League. Because I say so, and it works well with wacky mermaids!

this is ironic bc I’ve actually ended up living near the ocean or water loads of times! (I was like 20 metres off the quay in my last flat in the UK) And I do like the ocean, and water generally, and have Plans to go kayaking on the Havel or Spree which will hopefully come to something now that I’m no longer horrifyingly anaemic. But I still know next to nothing about ships. Thanks for the tip! I really do need to do research, I was just trying to avoid it :/

Yes! There’s a weird sort of sea longing where you don’t want the ocean itself but you want to be near it (for the temperature regulating and mildness of sea breezes). 

Again- “what a tub! You sailed here in this?!” is a very useful phrase ;p

Thank you that is super useful! I was not raised by naval officers (my family is mainly scientists) and Germany isn’t exactly renowned for its coastline, so I have no clue.

It’s a weird family history, because I have too much Navy for a family of mostly Swiss, Bavarian, Slovak-Hungarian, “’Romanian’ mercenary that spoke Mandarin and Mongolian”, etc… and it’s not like my parents’ Naval specialties were ship-centric (my dad switched to fighter-pilot because he hated submarines and my mom joined for the language scholarship). The actual fishing I’ve done has been fly-fishing in a creek in Montana. I’ve never lived on the beach or ever want to. Swimming in the ocean? Hell no. But the ocean itself? The platonic ideal of sailing? That Tolkien said- the most important hero in my universe is not a warrior or king or sorcerer but a sailor and his greatest deed was navigating. *Extreme Fist-pump*

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You have *definitely* gotten further than I have! (The point to which I’ve gotten being: “ships?”) I was trying to avoid the whole subject but then my POV char began comparing Numenorean and Telerin ships and I went “damnit, he’d actually know about this, wouldn’t he”

Look up David Weber one of these days. Basically SF writer who recreates the Horiato Hornblower (Master and Commander on the Far Side of the World) series IN SPACE. I was raised by two naval officers- it’s sort of like all the dog show breed stuff. i know enough to know what I don’t know, and enough to want to get at least some details down. 

-easiest thing and what I’m mostly doing – tell the reader if the ship has one mast with a single sail or more than one mast. the sail sitting perpendicular to the boat itself and of a squarish rectangle is a traditionally (Northern) European thing. What we tend to think of. The sail running mostly parallel (and triangular) is an Indian Ocean, warmer seas, more maneuverable but not good for long ocean voyages lanteen thing. Those might have a bigger triangle on one side and a narrower triangle on the other. Does it have a pointy front or not, how tall are the sides. I’m banking on the majority of readers giving less of a care than me. When in doubt, have the pov character call the ship “ugh, look at that ungainly tub” or “what a clean and beautiful craft” and move on ;p

oh god don’t remind me, I’m writing a character who lives in Alqualonde right now as well and I think I’m actually going to have to look up different ship types myself

I’m a weird person in that I love ships in concept but don’t want to go physically sailing and have read a lot of it in fiction but never studied or learned anything. And again I get ‘reefed’ on the knowledge that Tolkien was drawing on a medieval (mostly English) tradition but Númenor/inspired is Mediterranean, so I try to default back to pre 1400s Northern Europe for nautical stuff unless I think I can go Mediterranean (and by that I mean Ancient Egypt). So it’s Dover Bronze Age Boat for early stuff (and rafts and dugout canoes for Cuiviénen), Welsh coracles in lower Beleriand, the fact that I’m still not 100% sure Tolkien was picturing a longship for all the various elven boats (I don’t think he was thinking of a classical Greek or Roman galley) but for all I know, we’re talking about the great 18th century ships of the line that were the pride of Britannia (okay I’ll be honest- Ar-Pharazon’s ship was definitely the Mary Rose – or better yet for historical schadenfreude, the Vasa)

happy birthday!

Thank you! 

I already had my big birthday celebration treat event thingie on Monday (had the day off) by meeting up with my mom and going to watch Crazy Rich Asians together (loved it), so today is a get home, nap until I remember to feed my dog and myself (making tacos, so technically a treat myself night), didn’t grab an individual cake this time- but a side effect of sister going back up to grad school equaled town that had stores that actually carried Entemann’s donuts. And I was literally crying as I ate them, because childhood food nostalgia is still that strong. So I’ll eat another one of those and count that as birthday cake. As said- it’s a lazy celebration day. And will involve more napping. Maybe I’ll play a favorite movie. Probably sleep instead.

@squirrelwrangler​ I make EVERYONE a cat person, lmfao, Tolkien would be so upset with me. :“D He’d ban me out of the Tolkien community, I’m afraid.

Not only that, but as a Siamese lover, the worst cat according to Tolkien (which I find hilarious because as loud as they are, they are also among the most dog-like cats – and sighthounds aka wolfhounds are cat personalities in dog bodies), I am so banned.

I will defend it with Ingwë because a subtext theme is that he’s a bit like a (good) Melkor.

Self-Indulgent Writing, More Mermaid Side-Story

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More long post WIP original story, directly continuing off of this post. Stopped at a point so the post would be shorter than the first snippet (five pages is not a snippet, I know).

“I enter the dry hall of the king, my shell dress still dripping wet, which is a faux pas, and I could not describe to you my hair. All my journey I fret that I must make a good impression, and here is how I arrive. The dry hall is wood, semi-open to the elements, unlike other portions of the palace complex which are of coral and stone. Had I been escorted to one of those rooms, my anxiety would have overpowered me. But I was tired from swimming and determined to have this position at court, to learn under Queen Gara, so the magnitude of what surrounds me is deadened. So dark is it, I cannot not see the details of wealth around me. There are curtains of sea-wool, like gold made into mist, hanging from the ceiling. Just enough of that cloth to make a pair of lady’s gloves is worth a lord’s ransom in your land. Metal objects, which are more rare and precious in the islands, decorate the room, and the hinges and furnishings on the doors are made of brass. The first time I saw one of your temples with doors of solid bronze, every carving cast in metal and not carved, I sat on the steps and just stared for hours in sheer wonder. But the palace of Iro was the first wonderful and wealthy place that I came to. What else can I say to describe it that morning? Flowers are grown around the outer walls to provide a sweet scent to combat the scent of salt. The winds bring it in through the open panels. I have found only a few perfumes that come close to matching those flowers. And how strongly a smell is, or its qualities, is highly dependent on my current form. Scent memory is therefore strange for me. Alas, it would have been nice to stand there for while and dry, but I am immediately shuffled onward.

“The king himself, not any master of servants, is the one to collect me from the guard escort. He wears no crown; King Isore rarely did, but he did not need to, for how recognizable he is.” Amabel paused. “The man that Great Lady Manon spoke to in Stonegift, her banker with the stupid feathered hat, you recall him?”

“I liked his hat,” Gislin said.

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“The dry hall” This is beautifully described.

“Terrible taste in colors” is that a joke about dogs’ poor color vision?

The paragraph about Iro anticipating an attack – again, there’s a sense, as a reader unfamiliar with this world, of being a bit adrift in a sea of names and concepts.  Fortunately, they’re really cool names and concepts.  Amabel’s curse is a lovely piece of world-building through incidental dialogue, rather than the flood of expositional dialogue she provides through most of the story.  The switch to unusual/archaic grammar makes that last sentence pop – “only evil it stirs up to the surface waters.”

Let me be frank – most of my investment in the Big Two’s superhero comics comes through their animated versions.  Those shows were my earliest exposure, and are, en masse, still my favorite versions of the canons.  I can’t keep up with the endless retcons in the print comics, the live actions tv shows have never quite clicked with me, and the movies are enjoyable but too popcorn-y for me.  (I don’t mean just the quippy Marvel Movies here, and I don’t mean either don’t have depth.  I just mean that for me, they’re ephemeral.)  So the paragraph that’s basically about thinly veiled Garth and Kaldur and Amabel-as-Tula is pure catnip for me, because my favorite version of Atlantis is the Young Justice cartoon version. 

Oh boy, Gislin teasing Amabel and her sniping back is very cute.  I’m enjoying this story of Amabel’s, but if you ever feel like just writing the travel group bantering with each other, I’m very here for that.

Please do explain proper architecture sometime, Amabel, I’m curious.

Squees up to high heaven. On my lunch break at work so I must be quick and quiet.

First of all, praise and thank you for replying, and to a side story off of original fic. All the bonus points there. XD

I struggle between wanting scientific grounding and justification and embracing the point of fantasy- so mermaids have bugged me because the bottom half are fish? But humans are mammals. So I’ve always liked Selkies more. And knowing enough Greek mythology that the sirens were originally bird women, not mermaids. Thus Amabel’s species, the idea that mermaids and harpies are the same species and that they can switch, and the delightful world that creates. But that means that Amabel’s ‘fish form’ isn’t fish but reptilian or avian (yes, still uncertain). And thus my merfolk can’t breathe underwater. Hold their breath a long time, water based magic and culture, skin like hippos needing submersion to stay healthy. But thus an architecture a mix of dry rooms and pools.

The dry hall you should be thinking a little Polynesian. Just a tad.

Gislin is based off of Shonen main hero – but stuck as the side support character. And thanks to DBZ and especially Naruto, that means eyesearing orange. Plus the dog thing and the medieval taste for bright colors in motley and oversized patterns. Gislin’s personal look is based off a red-capped crane, but he wishes for bright colors as tied to wealth displays.

This passage would be, ideally, something like fifteen to twenty chapters into the main story, so the basic tenants of the world and story are established (forest-taint and the priests purify/terraforming the world. The empire more like the Holy Roman Empire than Medieval England. Rohese’s companions) so I’ve writing this info-dumping both. Mites, btw, for Amabel’s bird nature and how deadly those are for feathered things.

The archaic sounding phrasing is….an oft unintentional product of my writing. I’d trace it back to reading a lot of not modern literature and fantasy as a child and that the Texan dialect preserves or creates turns of phrase and wacky sentence construction that sounds old fashioned.

Yay! You caught it. I’m constantly in a push-pull on the renames if to match, go same letter, wildly different. Ironically, Amabel herself has as one of her main inspirations another comic book character: Mystique. (Now you know a secret). It’s more apparent when you meet Lee, her son. And yes her original name was Annabel solely for the pun Annabel Lee. But I found that writing in Garth and Kaldur, Amabel actually worked for the missing Tula insteadung adding another new name.

Insofar as Rose Red has plot beyond setup and backstories and visuals for some key battles, its plot is the group listening to stories as they travel. (And a cross dressing tourney arc because every shonen needs a tournament arc. Mandatory cliche)