YES! YOU’RE STARTING THIS ARC!
(Also isn’t Siuan and Leanne the best? And Gareth Bryne)
It’s a long arc, but damn if this political maneuvering and power isn’t WAY more interesting than what Rand and his learn to take control and not be a figurehead and rule – or later on the inevitable Elayne.
Like, no lie, Egwene with the Aiel bored me a bit, but I liked her so much more once she’s Amyrlin-in-Exile. Enjoy the ride 🙂
me too – we did it yestersay though) the modernist part was wonderful)
I was so upset that yesterday I had checked the tv schedule, saw I had three hours, told myself to remember- and then forgot. It’s more or less a family tradition from my childhood that we watch the PBS broadcast (and my mother still teases that I kicked along in the womb to the more energetic marches – I won’t say i was raised on classical music but i sort of was, especially Strauss). So we clapped along to the final march just now and my year can start now. (And yes, I was physically tearing up during the Blue Danube)
Although in the case of Finn fans I think we’re justified in feeling betrayed, as he was definitely the male lead in the first movie, and the trailer… really… sold us an idea, I think?
There was almost no Finn in the first trailer and they had edited him out of the SW Celebration poster, plus interviews rarely asking about him or clips stressing a sibling-like relationship w/ him and Rey- plus the knowledge that the set-up at the end of TFA was Rey off for Jedi stuff and thus Luke and Kylo, while Finn would be resistance- especially w/ Rose’s character introduced obviously as a love interest for him. I did foolishly think there would be more emphasis on Finn versus the First Order, fighting his past against them, the personal enmity, more of that Phasma vs Finn arc that was truncated in TFA (it was missing a third beat, and never would i have thought Finn vs Phasma be only one scene and a lame call-back joke to Han’s ‘Rebel Scum’ scene in Return of the Jedi – that was bad fanfic stuff). Still a betrayal- but I knew going in Finn would be done dirty and was warned he was reduced to mostly comic relief.
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I wouldn’t see it until it’s on digital either way. I’m just curious, bc everyone else I know who saw it loved it, but you’re the closest to sharing my TFA feelings so I figured your opinion would be more relevant to me
The people hating on it feeling betrayed honestly I laugh a little because TFA was the root of problems continuing into TLJ, and I knew it wasn’t going to give me great Finn scenes with depth going into the next film and that Luke was going to be a more disillusioned disheartened hermit who had driven away Ben in a moment of weakness/handwave smidgen of blame on Snoke (who is he-lol that doesn’t matter) and sorry, the tropes had been primed to be used from the set-up of TFA. Only in the “Rey Random” which I doubt will remain true even if I hope for the next film was I feeling something big I disliked about TFA was rectified.
As someone who is also only interested in Finn and despises Kylo- The arcs that have nothing to do with Kylo (aka Rey’s arc and also Luke -and those only intersect with anyone else’s plot-lines at the very beginning, technically, and then at the end battle), are a mixed bag. The first couple Finn scenes start off good but then they play Finn as the butt of physical humor gags that honestly pissed me off. Finn’s arc is a characterization arc; it isn’t completely shallow, but it doesn’t fulfill me as a Finn fan, let’s say. And the script is very preoccupied with subverting trope expectations and pulling the rug under the heroes/audience- and yet for all it tries, is still hitting predictable beats. I’d say- pay for cheap tickets if you can find a theater where it is $5.00 or less. There are some very pretty cinematography, some of the minor new characters are good- or would have been good had the script not tried too hard to be clever and have characters or script itself withhold information for a subversion bait-and-switch that doesn’t hold up for any logic. The new character that Finn interacts with for the majority of the film, Rose, is good even if there were a few points where the script fell down for me- mostly because the script failed Finn. As a standalone film I’m trying to decide if it works better or not. A big problem, i feel, is it’s trying to make themes and statements about Star Wars as it is in pop culture, and therefore those meta concerns are driving it.
As for Kylo Ren/Ben Solo- as I was wincing through watching his scenes and mentally trying to block him as it was happening- can’t tell you how tolerable they were; truthfully I couldn’t and didn’t even try. And yes, a scene towards the end I am not at all surprised that people who had been in abusive gas-lighting relationships were triggered hard by him – I felt uncomfortable by it just via secondhand.
If you want spoilers I could go into them- hard to be very vague. Is it as awful as the worst hyperbole? No. Is it great? No. Is it even BvS where I can blame the decon-recon characterization arc and the fight against audience preconceived opinions and entrenched nostalgia for a biased and unjust backlash? No – I loved BvS with every re-watch and my problems with the dream sequences or a lack of enough Clark or Lois scenes weren’t a problem with the script seeming to shoehorn them into arc statements that revolved around themes and characters at their expense or because I thought the entire universe built on shaky foundations of wanting their cake and trying to eat it too.
I can’t say I’m ashamed of myself – and if it weren’t for brand new copies of the Stormlight Archive looking at me, WoT would be the fantasy door-stoppers I’d be re-reading thanks to all these asks.
Rand isn’t so tiresome in Book One, but yes, the universe and the other supporting protags are so good!
that is _impressive_, especially coming from a family that actually doesn’t get particularly enthusiastic about nativity displays and generally goes with minimalist 3 or 4 piece sets
also for some reason the bedazzled palm trees are just a bit… unsettling (why are there palm trees that is not what date palms look like?)
There’s a more minimalist terra cotta set in the bathroom (still eight or so pieces), and the rubber duckie set. Partially it’s because my mother loathes decorating the Christmas tree with ornaments, and she’s a completionist figurine collector who loves Lenox dining china- she also has santas and the complete reindeer set and other holidays like Easter. So it’s much easier to just unbox and set up the nativity then unbox and hang ornaments, plus more ‘real meaning of christmas’ plus some strong narrative to organize how they are to be displayed by. The current Lenox nativity is a painted enamel look instead of just these enamel dots, but before they discontinued the line they branched out into the Town of Bethelhem for the weirder figurines like fish monger and dove seller. The palm tree was part of that- and my mom bough duplicates. And eh, when are creche scenes done with much accuracy anyway?
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There will be half a dozen of each at least in our lifetimes. There’s only one Luke Skyalker and Rian Johnson’s stuff is canon and forever” > exactly omg!! thats why i find it so unforgivable.
Honestly that’s why I reblogged it. Now there are similarities between SW and DC comics (and that SW has comics is part of it) – but the having more than one continuity universe, and that so many authors in supplementary materials have written the character with differing ideas of characterization and hich characters to focus on- and a ship war lol – but as I sit here and complain that in JL I could tell from the cell phone scene onward that they were dragging Superman back towards a characterization that I find flat, unappealing, outdated, etc… I had the assurance that there is a Superman for me in MoS and BvS and that for every comic book I don’t like I can find another characterization, or one with a mixed bag of passable or not, and that I need not rely solely of fanfic fix-it.
Hello, WoT anon! Happy to hear from you again! I’ve been informed via reblogs that yes, there is a Wheel of Time fandom and it’s uncommonly attractive or something like that ;p
Okay! The thing to know with books 5-10 is while people with -in some cases rightfully- complain about a drop in quality, personally they also had some of my favorite scenes and arcs as well. Like what a lot of various female characters get up to- Nynaeve, Elayne, Egwene, Siuan… Matt has fun adventures here. Perrin and Faile’s arc in around book nine if I remember correct … it does stretch out and a lot of readers found it too slow- I was okay with it but also I never disliked Faile.
The big one for plot pacing dragging that people gripe about is that book ten covers only a short time frame after book nine and has a quite a bit of characters that weren’t around for the really big climatic thing that happened at the end of book nine reacting to it. And that was a book where again there was almost no on-screen Rand (which I wasn’t complaining).
The big thing is Rand. IDK if you are finding Rand’s chapters and arcs to be less enjoyable or not. I will say quite a lot of Rand’s chapters in Book Four are excellent – I loved the flashback sequences and you do get something similar later on. But I preferred him -ironically for our main protagonist- as he was in Book Three, as this off-screen figure whom the plot still revolved around. Vaguely how Sauron is in LotR. And there will be a book each where Perrin or Matt is almost completely absent. Readers did complain. Not I.
Yes, there will be plot stretches that are slow (and you can tell by what chapter icon image is at the start 😉 ) Bare with it if you still enjoy most of the series, though.
I’m not someone to go deep into analyzing fiction for gender issues, but I can say personally reading them as a teen and young adult -compared to other fantasy I read- it wasn’t any worse and in some ways better. Subjective tastes and all that- only you will know if it bothers you.
Also are you having fun with the mysteries like Min’s prophecies and catching all the myth and story references/nods (I especially liked the Arthurian and the Norse and tiny bit of Slavic mythology surrounding the main characters)?
Just remember – Bela is the Avatar of the Creator, and the Dark One is Narg. And you have to love Loial.
Craver from the sounds of it could have been the “Molder” lady from Batman and Robin Eternal who “molded” mother’s “children” into perfect soldiers since she did have mental abilities to show memories like that.
Oh! Yes, I think you’re right! (Which, okay no excuse now not to have Cass as the Bat’s newest enforcer/weapon under heavy Ride-along control -combining David Cain with AU Fascist!Bruce- who will be sent Terminator style to hunt down Babs but eventually through freedom and learning becomes heroic Cass)
In my defense, I have only read B&RE once, even if it is one of the few nu52 arcs I have read.
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