crocordile:

squirrelwrangler:

crocordile said: no wait. I think I remember p…

i recall at some point Oro was supposed to be friends with the nolofinweans and then poof nothing, but i partake in your opinion, he simply didn’t like them 😛 He was too busy climbing the pelóri to care haha

Yes lol. For all Orodreth ‘Mountain-lover’ has a Noldor-ish name, he doesn’t have a lot of evidence for fondness for them. And the timeline makes more sense/inter-personal conflicts if Orodreth makes it to Nargothrond after surviving Sauron’s Black Breath fear-fogs only to find the detested detestable cousins already using up all the guest rooms and ingraining themselves with his big bro and his council, and Orodreth gritting his teeth and silently disagreeing with every one of their points, wishing he could kick them out but won’t go against guest-right…

Just imagining Orodreth constantly wondering what Finrod (and the rest of his brothers/uncles) see in their cousins and friends – though Orodreth really honors and respects Túrin, so it seems he was on friendly and respectful terms with humans, if not to the extent of Nóm? I wonder if that was something pre-Nargothrond- if Orodreth was tight with the men south of Tol Sirion east of Brethil, or if it was something Túrin specific and from trying again to follow Finrod’s honorable example?

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Yes! Poor Orodreth really gets the short shift fandom-wise. He really is brave- especially if that he is one of the only other voices openly and very public speaking against Fëanor in that politically rally at Tirion (gah that scene’s atmosphere makes my stomach heave). 

I wonder if our viewpoints are really that dissimilar- especially as I’m still trying to feel my way to imagining his personality, and I think your interpretation. But yes! That Orodreth is very stubbornly passionate about his likes and dislikes towards people, and very strongly this worshiper and follower of those he admires (Finrod, his uncles, his father). but yes, that he doesn’t have this proud self-image because he’s always comparing himself to those he admires and feeling that he’s lacking. (poor baby).

I can’t see Orodreth as swayed by Curufin – I think they were always rivals and see each other as representatives of their father’s division, that Curufin is going to remember Orodreth spoke against him and Fëanor and thus see him as a political rival to nullify, whereas Finrod can be swayed or tricked thanks to Finrod’s belief in others’ better natures and giving second chances. That there was this jockeying behind the scenes where C&C have the upper hand thanks to cunning and a head start and because Finrod wants to believe in his cousins, to be positive and trust them. And that maybe Orodreth feels betrayed by being cut out of the loop for his plans (or maybe not that extreme). Not that Orodreth agrees with C&C (or at least wouldn’t because of who made it- I really think Angrod and Aegnor, like Finrod and Galadriel, where the ones willing to work with their cousins and admit when if they had good ideas, where Orodreth is the hardliner). But Orodreth doesn’t feel like he is smart or strong enough to openly challenge them – again thinks himself weaker and lesser than the brother he admires. So he bids his time, and when news of Tol Sirion comes back that’s Orodreth’s opening to act.

And that yes so much, that he’s still suffering under PSTD and trauma from the battles and siege and Sauron, so C&C play off that, and he’s frozen into inaction (and thinking- ‘if only I was the people I admire I would do the exact right thing’), so maybe they not really convince him, but he doesn’t have a good counter-proposal and Finrod’s left and he has to stay and protect Finrod’s crown as steward because that was what his brother asked of him. And Orodreth knows how to do that, to hold onto a strategic position for his brother – but he didn’t with Tol Sirion, he crumbled, even if he really shouldn’t blame himself because it was Sauron himself, but Orodreth probably does blame himself thinking Finrod or Fingolfin/Círdan/Thingol/etc.. would have held out for more than two years. So this time he’ll hold.

Orodreth and humans- that Tol Sirion sits on a very important trade route surrounded by various human settlements- I doubt Orodreth stayed on his island and never interacted with the Edain. He probably wasn’t Angrod and Aegnor living among the Bëorings, or Nóm sending a good deal of time living with the various tribes learning from them – that it was friendly but a bit distant. And hmm, to think of it, Orodreth would have be exposed to more Haladim and Hadorim than his brothers/sister except for Finrod. But he probably wasn’t close to any of them until Beren comes. And yes! that Beren and Finrod’s honoring of the Oath to Barahir made a huge impact on Oordreth, that it’s part of his honoring and trying to live up to the memory of Finrod that he is so impressed with Túrin and values him.

And oooh- when escaping Nargothrond I don’t even know! Maybe too close to the Baarhir rescuing Finrod and his men in the Fens? Or would that be exactly it?

Actually- we know some Bëorings join the elves in their youth, go into service with them- so I wonder if they would really go all the way down to Nargothrond, or if most Bëorings who chose that would instead go work for Orodreth because Minas Tirth was closer to home.