crocordile said: no wait. I think I remember p…

i recall at some point Oro was supposed to be friends with the nolofinweans and then poof nothing, but i partake in your opinion, he simply didn’t like them 😛 He was too busy climbing the pelóri to care haha

Yes lol. For all Orodreth ‘Mountain-lover’ has a Noldor-ish name, he doesn’t have a lot of evidence for fondness for them. And the timeline makes more sense/inter-personal conflicts if Orodreth makes it to Nargothrond after surviving Sauron’s Black Breath fear-fogs only to find the detested detestable cousins already using up all the guest rooms and ingraining themselves with his big bro and his council, and Orodreth gritting his teeth and silently disagreeing with every one of their points, wishing he could kick them out but won’t go against guest-right…

Just imagining Orodreth constantly wondering what Finrod (and the rest of his brothers/uncles) see in their cousins and friends – though Orodreth really honors and respects TĂșrin, so it seems he was on friendly and respectful terms with humans, if not to the extent of NĂłm? I wonder if that was something pre-Nargothrond- if Orodreth was tight with the men south of Tol Sirion east of Brethil, or if it was something TĂșrin specific and from trying again to follow Finrod’s honorable example?

crocordile said: no wait. I think I remember p clearly some draft where C&C’s cavalry ‘rescues’ Oro’s remnant forces, tho I don’t remember where
 are you arguing that the timeline for that is wonky? bc if so i do agree it is weird to have C&C wandering 4 2 years

Yeah it was on one of the Tolkien wikis (but only one) and it was relatively common fanon, so I assumed there was an old draft somewhere. but I’ve yet to find it. And the Nargothrod situation is weird once you go back to the very very first drafts where there’s no Curufin at all and some of Celegorm is combined with Felagund and Orodreth isn’t even the king of Nargothrond in the oldest Narn drafts. But nope.

And ugh- that Angrod and Aegnor went on the boats because friends with sons of FĂ«anor are something I treat with as much canon as Aragorn is a Hobbit wearing shoes, though I see this progression of old draft ideas as support of the fanon that Aegnor and Angrod were friends with Celegorm and Curufin before the tensions grew and then the Kin-slaying, which …sure, okay. (Argon makes a much better fit imo). But we have nothing for Orodreth, unlike the rest of his cousins, no mutual visits. Which could explain why he was bumped down a generation in some drafts – he doesn’t have a connection to Fingon, Turgon, or any of the FĂ«anorians. Or just that Orodreth doesn’t because he doesn’t like his Noldor side of the family as much as the Teleri and Sindar.

But most of all the timeline makes no sense- or C&C’s ability to even get to Nargothrond if Tol Sirion isn’t holding out like Himring and Eithel Sirion are holding out. (and grr to anyone that calls Orodreth for fleeing Sauron, because one certainly wouldn’t call Faramir a coward fleeing the Black Breath of the Ringwraiths)

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crocordile replied to your post:crocordile replied to your…

sandor as amrod omfg you have no heart ahahahahahahahah

My thought process: 

Okay we have AistĂ«/AmanĂ«/I Have No idea Your Name "Sansa the Elf" so we need to have a Sandor and therefore the Hound has his famous burn scars so injuries from Dagor Bragollach easy enough – BUT WAIT! Sandor’s facial burns are not from any battle a la Blackwater; they are from his older brother burning him and nobody in the Silmarillion is going to burn their famil- OH SHI- okay it was the father and not an older brother, but still… 

But then really, under no circumstances is Sansa Elf! having a SanSan type arc with any son of FĂ«anor, and it’s a toss in the air whether “AistĂ«/AmanĂ«” ever leaves Valinor. Anyway, Sansa’s role in this fusion is split off into Finduilas Faelivrin as well, making Gwindor and TĂșrin oddly into the roles of Sandor and Willas and whomever to come. (Orodreth as yet another Ned? Poor golden baby)

manymanytimesbefore replied to your post:In the limited Silmarillion-ASoIaF fusion I am…
hey i wrote something like this once! but it was super fluffy – arafinwe and all that 😉 i meant to have her marry a grandson? of Finrod but never went around to finish it

oh wait no, i see what you’re doing! it’s different, then 🙂 sounds cool

😀 Sounds adorably fluffy. 

I’ve done partial rundowns of this fusion, but might as well retype and flesh it out. It all started when I decided in the process of naming some unnamed companions to borrow Robb Stark. So a short history of the expanding fusion (and trying to pin down which names to use – help me pick the best choice!):

Herenvarno ‘Varno’ (Eddard ‘Ned’ Stark) is the middle child of one of the early supporters of FinwĂ«, overshadowed by his wild, dashing brother (Brandon) and sister (Lyanna). Unfortunately somehow before the Noldor make it to Valinor, he looses his older brother and parents (Rickard as Alon/Alwion/Veryalon/Veron) to tragic accidents/wandering off/Melkor’s shenanigans. Varno arrives in Valinor a quiet young man that loves and feels loyalty towards his king FinwĂ« (who is black-haired and blue-eyed and broadly muscled and the longer is king the worse a grip he shows to have on ruling – especially controlling and curtailing his eldest son. The parallel writes itself.) But Varno can’t stand Tirion, so he retreats north and builds a stone manor to the north of where Formenos will be. This is Mindohesin/MindohrivĂ« (Winterfell), with greenhouses and hot springs powering indoor heating, and Varno rarely leaves his home (except once to AlqualondĂ« to greet the newly arrived Teleri, and for FinwĂ«’s weddings and big family events or feasts). His sister runs wild through Valinor, galloping with OromĂ«’s riders, never settling down – or at least admitting to- and basically like a more uninhibited Aredhel. (Benjen), the youngest brother, may or may not exist. 

Now Mahtan and his wife IstarniĂ«, our famously auburn-haired Noldor, have one daughter Nerdanel who marries FĂ«anor and has all those sons. But Nerdanel has at least one sibling; tentatively I’m going with an older brother or sister, who takes over the role as our Hoster Tully. Said sibling of Nerdanel has three children with the same brown with reddish highlights hair: VenĂ©a/Vendea (Catelyn), LissĂ« (Lysa), and Enedir (Edmure). Enedir (Edmure) goes to AlqualondĂ« and Tirion for work, while he’s not as impressive a smith as his grandfather or other famous relatives, and spends a lot of time on the hypothetical river that feeds into Swan Harbor, where he ends up marrying a business partner, (Roslin Frey) who is of mixed Noldor/Teleri descent. They have at least one son, Edrahil, who thanks to family ties between AlqualondĂ« and Tirion end up becoming very closely tied to ArafinwĂ« and EĂ€rwen’s family. Edrahil grows up knowing Prince Finrod and his younger brothers, and when the rebellion happens he follows and sticks close to Finrod. LissĂ« felt overshadowed by her prettier older sister, and she wasn’t the baby of the family or a son. She decides to go to Valmar (jettisoning Littlefinger from this universe, goodbye and good riddance!) where she’s stand out. Eventually she marries a charming Vanyar lady who finds LissĂ« delightful, and they live high up in the PelĂłri Mountains near ManwĂ«’s eagles. LissĂ« craves children, so after many years they petition the Valar. What happens is Mandos has some fĂ©a of very young elves who died in CuiviĂ©nen, too young to remember who they are or who don’t have family to reunite with because their parents stayed. So LissĂ« and her wife are one of the adopting couples who raise a reembodied elf as their own flesh and blood. Here is (Sweetrobin) who is very young when the Flight of the Noldor happens, grows up sheltered and protected by his moms, and when the WoW comes he is pompous Percy Weasley-like elf leading a company of Vanyar scouts. In other words the platoon that adopts Bledda and his daughter BortĂ«.

However the dutiful VenĂ©a/Vendea (nicknamed VĂ©nie?) is who we are most interested in. She marries the seemingly dour noble Varno and moves up to his isolated northern home. Varno loves his wife (and her bright red hair) and doesn’t mind that her aunt is the wife of the Noldor Crown Prince and thus nominally linking him to the political squabbling of princes (Melkor is a few years away from being released or was just released). Soon they have their first son, a blue-eyed and auburn-haired boy named Alcar (Robb). However the same time their son is born, Varno’s wild sister drops by unexpectedly, carrying an infant she introduces as her son, born while hanging out in the snow mountains around OiolossĂ«/Taniquetal, but as she decided she really didn’t want to raise the kid (no mention at all of the father) and since VĂ©nie just had one and is far more maternal, the responsible brother and sister-in-law can do a much better job with the kid and provide a stable environment. (No bastardy and no deaths in Aman). Left with this awkward situation, Varno and VĂ©nie raise their nephew Failossion (Jon Snow), named for this “generous” snow-born gift, as Alcar’s sort-of twin. 

Alcar and Lossion are swiftly joined by two sisters, AistĂ«/Airien/AmanĂ«/Amaniel/Amandis (Sansa) and Áre (Arya), and a brother MornaiwĂ«/Mornaio/Mornaion (Bran). Ugh, so I can’t pick names for the younger Starks. Áre admires the daughter of Prince NolonfinwĂ« and her own aunt – which worries her mother, while her older sister who inherited the reddish hair of the maternal side instead of Noldor black hair and grey eyes likes pretty things and fine songs and dancing and music and needlepoint and wants most of all to live at court in Tirion or Valmar. Poor (Sansa) is naively unaware of the growing high tensions of the Noldor royalty. 

Things start to get ugly when Nerdanel leaves her husband to return to Mahtan and later Queen Indis, drawing a sharp divide between the favored and powerful King’s heir and Nerdanel’s family. Varno is loyal to King FinwĂ«, but also his wife’s family. Then the drawing of the sword and the banishment, and suddenly Varno has his King and Temporarily Disinheired Heir building a permanent fortress just next door. Varno is caught between who to side with, as FinwĂ« is his king (Robert Baratheon, with all the old friends and disillusionment this entails) but holds himself ‘uncrowned’ and Varno is a noble guy that follows the rule or law, so he sees Fingolfin as the Acting King of the Noldor. Plus his nephew Failossion has gone to work for Fingolfin (who is sort of Stannis in this). Morna (Bran), by the way, gets into shoving matches with FĂ«anor’s younger sons.  Áre likes hunting with them. (Sansa) has just entered a betrothal with the very comely and golden-haired son of some Vanyar nobles, thinking her dreams have come true. 

The other family living near the royal hunting lodge that becomes the site for Formenos are the long-time rivals of Varno’s family. They are hardcore FĂ«anorian partisans, disdainful of Fingolfin and Indis’s children, the Valar, etc… Caranthir marries their daughter. (Boltons…) 

One day OromĂ« gives the ‘Stark’ clan a litter of hound puppies, the same hyper-intelligent giant dogs that Huan is. Everyone gets their direwolf (Grey Wind, Arquen Lady, Nymeria, Lairë Summer, Shaggydog) including the recently conceived Verion/Veron (Rickon). 

Darkening of Valinor means everything goes to crap. Varno doesn’t fully support rebelling against the Valar (his wife VĂ©nie and her family are firmly Aulendil and refuse to follow FĂ«anor), but he feels he owes his dead king FinwĂ«. So Varno goes with the Noldor, and all of his children but (Sansa) betrothed in Valmar and VĂ©nie with her family and the infant Verion/Veron. Failossion is again firmly with Fingolfin, Uncle Edrahil with Finarfin, and Varno is the lone voice of sanity and caution in FĂ«anor’s camp, increasingly mistrusted as a traitor because of his split alliances and doubting his king. (For the paranoid FĂ«anor, it’s obvious starting with his father and going down to anyone else he deals with, that those with divided loyalties towards him equals someone who is disloyal to him). Prior to the assault and theft of the Swan-ships, Varno speaks against it. After the Kin-slaying, he is found dead. The mistrust and bad blood boils over, and Alcar, now leader of his father’s forces, along with his younger brother, officially joins Uncle Edrahil and pledges allegiance to Finrod, angry at FĂ«anorians especially when forced to march across the HelcaraxĂ«. Áre might board the ships, but more likely she goes to her favorite big brother Failossion.

None of the Hounds go into rebellion, choosing to stay in Valinor. (Sansa) cares for most of the pack, especially after she dumps her golden-haired prat of an ex-fiancee (Joffery) who stated her dad deserved his fate as rebel. She (and her mom and youngest sibling too, probably) go to Aunt LissĂ«’s secluded mountain home.

In Beleriand, Alcar is one of the nobles in Nargothrond. Failossion freezes up in Hithlum as one of the braver soldiers willing to scout Angband’s frozen wastes, playing Watcher on the Wall Leaguer. Morna is slightly creepy but nice guy with Angrod and Aegnor up in Dorthonion who has strong mental sight. Áre is on adventures who knows where. (Maybe she goes with Galadriel over the mountains?) While in Nargothrond, Alcar befriends the youngest son of a recalcitrant Falathrim lord who was sent to the Nargothrond as a foster-ward to improve trust and good feelings between CĂ­rdan and Finrod’s people. This boy of smirking bravado hiding homesickness and fear is named Faron Mithmeren (Theon Greyjoy), and the two become best friends.

Dagor Bragollath happens – Alcar believes his brothers Failossion and Morna die in the fires (only half right). he’s among Finrod’s companions trying to make it up their in time and who are rescued by Barahir in the Fens of Serech. Alcar is grief-stricken and physically injured, and is healed and comforted back in Nargothrond by one of the new arrivals. Faelineth (Jeyne Westerling) is a Sindarin girl of pretty but not overwhelming beauty, with brown eyes and curly brown hair and an Avari grandmother – and she’s one of the refugees from Himlad that came with Celegorm and Curufin, so with have our opposite sides problem. Still, she comforts Alcar, and the two marry. However they hold off attempting for any children because of the war. When Finrod honors his Oath to Beren, Alcar is one of the ten volunteers, along with his uncle, Edrahil, and Faelineth’s brother Than- (Raynald Westerling), and thus dies in the dungeons of Tol Sirion eaten by a werewolf. 

Those that die are reborn and/or reunited with family.

Faelindis (Jeyne Poole) is the daughter of the steward of Tol Sirion under Orodreth, childhood companion of Princess Finduilas Faelivrin, and escapes with the princess two years after the Bragollach to Nargothrond. Faron regrets he wasn’t there to die with Alcar and his king, thus when Gwindor joins for what becomes the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Faron goes with him- and gets captured. Or captured earlier or just after. He’s a prisoner in Angband for a few years before Nargothrond is sacked, loosing his identity and tending the wargs under the cruel orcs (Ramsay). After Nargothrond falls, and Finduilas is killed, Faelindis is brought to Angband and to spare her the worst or be immediately slain, Faron facilitates the falsehood of Faelindis as Faelivrin. Together the two escape Angband when it crumbles during the final days of the WoW, leaping to safety. Together they board a ship captained by Faron’s older sister (Asha) to Tol EressĂ«a, heal, have a life together, visited frequently by Alcar and his family (wife, sisters, parents).

Everything is made better.

meme: Jen(n)a! (feel free to not do all 4 letters, just pick the ones you like.)

J: a show you keep meaning to watch but have yet to get around to
Borgias, definitely. 

E: a character you think you’re the most like?

*winces* I will say that when I first started watching Brooklyn 99, Jack Peralta immediately reminded my of my sister (and once my mom watched the pilot, it was the first thing she thought too). Therefore on the way to work one day I thought about which character from the show I was most like- and decided with some honestly that Captain Holt’s brand of awkward stone-face deadpan was something I did as well (with a more mobile face, less intimidating presence, to be sure).

When Beauty and the Beast came out, four-year-old me had finally found her brown-eyed, brunette bookworm who felt out-of-place in the new town thanks to constantly moving, who wasn’t looking for a prince and wanted to protect her family, and whose stubborn kindness made new friends and inspired others to be better. A heroine that looked like me and loved the same things I did – she meant (and means) the world to me.

N: your favourite crackship

OOoooh, I don’t have a ton of crackships? Trying to think Silmarillion that involves canon characters: past Sauron/IlmarĂ«. Maeglin/Elwing. MĂ­riel/Daeron (Saeros towards Daeron and Ecthelion/Glorfindel I don’t count as crack-ships).

I think we have to go to ASoIaF for my more outlandish pairings that I’ll read about – and usually then it’s fics that explore what-if Lysa or Stannis married someone else, or Sansa to the North. The show’s Missendei/Grey Worm is a crack-ship by book standards, but was one of the few spots of sweetness in season 4.

Forever bitter that in Scandal Millie and Olivia didn’t dump the president and hook up together.

A: fandom you blog about the most
It’s probably The Silmarillion, isn’t it? Though on some days Rurouni Kenshin reasserts its dominance in my heart.

Manwe

tindez:

#sorry it’s not very long and ends awkwardly abrupt #searched for something for Manwë #wanted something simple and peaceful #what can i say – he’s an Air Nomad #also the idea of sending the Istari to Middle-earth as old men came somewhere #manwĂ« is not his brother he does not want control #his is not a jealous love spiteful of his brother #Vanyar aren’t Boring #Good is Not Dumb #tasked by Eru to create and govern all of Arda #fighting Melkor for eons before the elves ever awaken #my theme of physics + ainur continues #inside the vastness of something you do not see it #also how spaced out gas molecules are #
if that at all comes across

 #i don’t find that ending awkward at all really? #this is such a different interpretation of manwe #at least from what i usually see #i will have to spend way too much time thinking about this #manwe #tolkien #fanfic

Aw, thanks! With ManwĂ« I was definitely inspired by his most well-known follower, OlĂłrin aka Gandalf, and especially Gandalf in the Shire and his love of the peacefulness of it and of the Hobbits – and that humbleness. And that Tolkien quite clearly defines ManwĂ« as not his brother, as someone who isn’t a hyper-inflated ego wanting to master others, a good king. ManwĂ« who loves and obeys Eru and knows he is in Arda as Eru’s regent.

And a lord of air should be someone that can walk unseen, that is vast and invisible but absolutely essential.

Other interpretations of Manwë as in a boring figurehead or asshole? Or just really remote?

squirrelwrangler:

The kindly-faced man sits on a corner of the streets in Valmar, appearing to do nothing at all except bask in the warm golden light and listen to the clarion bells. Sometimes pigeons bob at his feet, or a wandering cat or dog curls their heads on his lap. His eyes are a brilliant blue, when they are not lidded in the peaceful countenance of a man who delights in a warm day and the pleasing tones of the city’s many bells. 

“You are one of the Maiar,” says a pedestrian with tightly coiled golden hair, standing just so their shadow does not block the light upon the bald man with stunningly clear blue eyes. “I can feel the difference in the souls, between Eldar and Ainur. I apologize that I do not recognize you, though I believe you must be one of the minor servants, for you do not blaze in my senses like many I have met. Is there something you need? You appear tired.”

The man sitting on the corner of the street smiles. “A little weary, perhaps. The war has been long, my task longer. But the sound of the bells helps to soothe, and the warm air rising up from the stones, and the kind offers from strangers.” He laughs, the creases around his brilliant blue eyes folding up to cover their brightness, the sound of his laugh as pure and light as the smallest chimes. “Air has a great weight. You don’t feel it, as it is always pressing in from every direction. You don’t see how much it weighs.”

kazaera said: ahhh this is beautiful! I love Manwe in disguise, just taking in everything. And oh man “you do not blaze in my senses/you appear tired” Manwe ;___;

Oh yes, if any series allows a wandering king in humble disguise, it’s Tolkien 😉 

I wanted a way to convey that the Vanya mistakes ManwĂ« in that oswarĂ« double-sense as only a part of his power, not because ManwĂ« is deliberately suppressing and hiding his power – not sure if the text works. But yeah, if elves can and will eventually fade due to the weariness of immortality in Arda, and if ManwĂ« and the other Valar have already dealt with Melkor’s shit for far longer than any elf has been alive, he’s allowed to have moments where he needs a break from sitting enthroned in Ilmarin.

kazaera replied to your post:vardathestarkindler replied to…

yeah I couldn’t articulate it when I commented earlier but I love love scientific Valar playing around in the cosmos 😀 also how I see them (and your science sounded fine to me but I’m really not a scientist so that says very little
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(Thank you for the earlier comment of love for Varda and Melian) But ah yes! I love the Valar as both this mythical concept of a Song – or at least certain parts of tempos and notes of one, which also means they are certain wavelengths of light, are vibrations of Strings (I love physics, for all that I’m terrible at it). And that they are also metaphysical concepts of how sentient beings react to the physical world and each other (concepts of Rest and Healing, of Death, of History, of Water in all forms and measures, of Living Organisms from slime molds on up). But they are angels. So there has to be a person and a personality behind these cosmic concepts (dare anyone to say Gandalf doesn’t have a very human personality), which I fail at conveying because I think I err too far in the other direction when I write the Valar. And it’s not like I favor the more scientifically accurate version of Arda’s structure from the revised drafts of Tolkien’s notes, as the mythic appeals greatly to me. But on the small scale, that Varda’s eyes glow like stars and also because converting hydrogen to helium is powerful stuff. 🙂

vardathestarkindler replied to your post:Varda

This fic is amazing. I am really glad to see that there are others who see Varda and the other Ainur in a more scientific way :3

*starry-eyed*

Thank you! Even if my science is bad or poorly and shallowly researched, I have to write some into the Valar or else they don’t feel like the Valar to me. There’s a quote from Galadriel about magic and knowledge I think applies. It can make writing prompts of them both easier to come up with and harder to write.